| Evolution | |
| Stable | |
|---|---|
| Members | Ric Flair Batista Triple H Randy Orton[1] |
| Name(s) | Evolution[1] |
| Debut | February 3, 2003[1] |
| Disbanded | October 3, 2005[2] |
| Promotions | WWE |
Evolution was a professional wrestling heel stable on World Wrestling Entertainment's RAW brand consisting of Ric Flair, Randy Orton, Triple H, and Batista. Richard Morgan Fliehr According to WWE and PWI Flair is an eight-time National Wrestling Alliance (NWA Champion, six-time WCW Champion David Michael Bautista Jr (born January 18 1969 commonly known by his Ring name, simply Batista, is an Filipino / American professional Paul Michael Levesque better known by his Ring name Triple H, an abbreviation of his former ring name Hunter Hearst Helmsley Randal "Randy" Keith Orton (born on April 1 1980 Before being promoted to the main WWE roster Orton trained in and wrestled for Mid-Missouri Wrestling Association-Southern Events 1112 - Ramon Berenguer III of Barcelona and Douce I of Provence marry uniting the fortunes of those two states Year 2003 ( MMIII) was a Common year starting on Wednesday of the Gregorian calendar. Events 42 BC - First Battle of Philippi: Triumvirs Mark Antony and Octavian fight an indecisive battle with Caesar's Year 2005 ( MMV) was a Common year starting on Saturday (link displays full calendar of the Gregorian calendar. World Wrestling Entertainment Inc ( WWE) is a publicly traded privately controlled integrated media (focusing in Television, Internet, Professional wrestling, or pro wrestling, is a non-competitive professional Sport, where all matches are scripted by the promotion's booking staff In Professional wrestling, a heel is a Villain character In non-wrestling jargon heels are the "bad guys" in pro wrestling storylines. World Wrestling Entertainment Inc ( WWE) is a publicly traded privately controlled integrated media (focusing in Television, Internet, This article is about the television program You may be looking for the 1994 video game or the 2002 video game WWE Raw is The World Wrestling Federation/Entertainment (WWF/E Brand Extension was a process first used in 2002 by said Professional wrestling promotion as a means Richard Morgan Fliehr According to WWE and PWI Flair is an eight-time National Wrestling Alliance (NWA Champion, six-time WCW Champion Randal "Randy" Keith Orton (born on April 1 1980 Before being promoted to the main WWE roster Orton trained in and wrestled for Mid-Missouri Wrestling Association-Southern Paul Michael Levesque better known by his Ring name Triple H, an abbreviation of his former ring name Hunter Hearst Helmsley David Michael Bautista Jr (born January 18 1969 commonly known by his Ring name, simply Batista, is an Filipino / American professional The group is considered by many to be modeled after Ric Flair's old stable, the Four Horsemen, from the National Wrestling Alliance and World Championship Wrestling. The Four Horsemen (also spelt IV Horsemen) was a popular Professional wrestling stable in the National Wrestling Alliance and later World The National Wrestling Alliance ( NWA) is the largest governing body for a group of independent Professional wrestling promotions and sanctions various NWA [1]
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At Unforgiven in 2002, Triple H defended the World Heavyweight Championship against Rob Van Dam. Unforgiven is an annual Professional wrestling Pay-per-view event produced by World Wrestling Entertainment, which has been held in September since the Paul Michael Levesque better known by his Ring name Triple H, an abbreviation of his former ring name Hunter Hearst Helmsley The World Heavyweight Championship is a Professional wrestling world championship in World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE Robert "Rob" Alexander Szatkowski Another venture that Van Dam produces is RVDTV reality based programming looking at the life of Rob Van Dam During the match Ric Flair came down to the ring and grabbed the sledgehammer from Triple H and teased hitting Triple H before hitting Van Dam, allowing Triple H to get the win. Richard Morgan Fliehr According to WWE and PWI Flair is an eight-time National Wrestling Alliance (NWA Champion, six-time WCW Champion [3] From that point on, Flair accompanied Triple H to the ring as his manager. Shortly after, Batista moved from SmackDown! to RAW and took Flair as his manager. David Michael Bautista Jr (born January 18 1969 commonly known by his Ring name, simply Batista, is an Filipino / American professional WWE Friday Night SmackDown is a Professional wrestling Television program for World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE that is currently airing This article is about the television program You may be looking for the 1994 video game or the 2002 video game WWE Raw is When Triple H began his feud with Scott Steiner at the beginning of 2003, Batista and Randy Orton both assisted him along with Flair. Scott Rechsteiner (born July 29 1962 better known by his Ring name Scott Steiner, is an American professional wrestler. Randal "Randy" Keith Orton (born on April 1 1980 Before being promoted to the main WWE roster Orton trained in and wrestled for Mid-Missouri Wrestling Association-Southern [4]
The group was officially founded on February 3, 2003 and called itself Evolution, as in "the Evolution of this business. Events 1112 - Ramon Berenguer III of Barcelona and Douce I of Provence marry uniting the fortunes of those two states Year 2003 ( MMIII) was a Common year starting on Wednesday of the Gregorian calendar. " Each of the members represented the best in "the past" (Ric Flair), "the present" (Triple H), and "the future" (Randy Orton and Batista) of professional wrestling. Professional wrestling, or pro wrestling, is a non-competitive professional Sport, where all matches are scripted by the promotion's booking staff [1][5] The stable got off to a rocky start as both Batista and Orton were injured in matches in February 2003. On May 26 edition of Raw, Orton returned as a masked man who attacked both Shawn Michaels and Kevin Nash after a 2-on-1 handicap match with Flair and Michaels taking on Triple H. Michael Shawn Hickenbottom (born July 22 1965 better known by his Ring name Shawn Michaels, is an American professional wrestler. Kevin Scott Nash (born July 9 1959 is an American professional wrestler and Actor. He then unmasked himself and rejoined the group. [1][6]
In 2003, at Bad Blood, Flair was able to defeat Shawn Michaels after Orton whacked Michaels with a chair. WWE Bad Blood (originally Badd Blood) was a World Wrestling Entertainment Professional wrestling Pay-per-view event that was held in 1997 2003 Later that night, Triple H retained his World Heavyweight Championship in a Hell in a Cell match against the big man, Kevin Nash. A Hell in a Cell match (sometimes referred to as Hell in the Cell) is a Professional wrestling match seen in World Wrestling Entertainment in [1][7] At Unforgiven, Orton (who had a "Legend Killer" gimmick) defeated Michaels to prove that he was indeed a Legend Killer. Unforgiven (2003 was the sixth annual Unforgiven Professional wrestling Pay-per-view event produced by World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE [8] Later that night, Triple H defended the World Heavyweight Championship against Goldberg. William Scott Goldberg 2 time United States Heavyweight Champion In early 1998 Goldberg defeated the likes of Brad Armstrong at SuperBrawl VIII Despite help from Flair, Triple H lost the title to Goldberg. [9]
On September 29 edition of Raw, Triple H issued a $100,000 bounty to anybody who could take out Goldberg. [1][10] On October 20 edition of Raw, Batista returned from injury and rejoined Evolution by taking out Goldberg and claiming the $100,000 bounty. [1][11] At Survivor Series, Orton participated in a Team Bischoff vs. Survivor Series (2003 was the seventeenth annual Survivor Series Professional wrestling Pay-per-view event produced by World Wrestling Eric Aaron Bischoff (born May 27 1957) is an American Entrepreneur and former Professional wrestling booker, producer Team Austin elimination tag team match in which Orton was the sole survivor. Steven Williams (born Steven Anderson on December 18 1964 This defiance was often shown by Austin flipping McMahon off and incapacitating him with the [12] Later that night, Goldberg faced Triple H in a rematch from Unforgiven for the World Heavyweight Championship which Goldberg won despite repeated interference from Flair, Orton and Batista. [13]
Flair's character trademarks of coming out in suits and being a noted Playboy, along with his and Triple H's trademark heel ruthlessness, were traits that carried over into the entire stable, both during and for a couple of years after Evolution. While in the group each of the members had individual quirks:
At the height of Evolution's power, the group controlled all of the male-based championships of RAW after Armageddon. The World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE Intercontinental Championship is a Professional wrestling championship in World Wrestling Entertainment. Armageddon is a Professional wrestling Pay-per-view event produced by World Wrestling Entertainment. Batista teamed with Flair to win the World Tag Team Championship from Dudley Boyz (Bubba Ray Dudley and D-Von Dudley) in a Tag Team Turmoil match,[14] Randy Orton captured the WWE Intercontinental Championship from Rob Van Dam,[15][16] and Triple H regained the World Heavyweight Championship from Goldberg (in a Triple Threat match that also involved Kane), with the help of the other members. The World Tag Team Championship is a Professional wrestling world tag team championship in World Wrestling Entertainment. For the rest of the stable see Dudley family. For the competitive video game team formerly known as Team 3D see 3D Mark LoMonaco (born July 14, 1971) is an American professional wrestler, best known for his appearances with Extreme Championship Wrestling Devon Hughes (born August 1 1972) is an American professional wrestler, best known for his appearances with Extreme Championship Wrestling Many types of matches, sometimes called "concept" or " gimmick matches" in the jargon of the business, can be found in the form of Performing The World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE Intercontinental Championship is a Professional wrestling championship in World Wrestling Entertainment. Many types of matches, sometimes called "concept" or " gimmick matches" in the jargon of the business, can be found in the form of Performing Glen Thomas Jacobs In the 1988–1989 season he was an NCAA All-star; he is still listed in the Truman State University media guide as holding the record for highest [1][17][18]
In January 2004 at the Royal Rumble, Ric Flair and Batista successfully defended the World Tag Team Championship against Dudley Boyz in a Tables match, and World Heavyweight Champion Triple H fought Shawn Michaels to no contest in a Last Man Standing match, thus retaining the championship. Royal Rumble (2004 was the seventeenth annual Royal Rumble Professional wrestling Pay-per-view event produced by World Wrestling Entertainment Many types of matches, sometimes called "concept" or " gimmick matches" in the jargon of the business, can be found in the form of Performing Many types of matches, sometimes called "concept" or " gimmick matches" in the jargon of the business, can be found in the form of Performing [19] Flair and Batista exchanged the World Tag Team Championship with Booker T and Rob Van Dam. Robert Booker Tio Huffman (born March 1 1965 better known by his wrestling persona Booker T, is an American professional wrestler. [20][21][22] At WrestleMania XX, Evolution defeated Rock 'n' Sock Connection (The Rock and Mick Foley) in a 3-on-2 handicap match. WrestleMania XX was the twentieth WrestleMania Professional wrestling Pay-per-view produced by World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE Rock 'N' Sock Connection is a former Professional wrestling Tag team of The Rock and Mankind that wrestled in the World Wrestling Federation Michael Francis "Mick" Foley Sr Early life Foley was born in Bloomington Indiana. [1][23] Later that night, Triple H lost the World Heavyweight Championship to Chris Benoit (in a triple threat match that also involved Shawn Michaels) when he tapped out to the Crippler Crossface. Christopher Michael Benoit (bə'nwɑ (May 21 1967—June 24 2007 was a Canadian professional wrestler who in 2007 received extensive media coverage as a Professional wrestling holds include a number of set moves and pins used by competitors to immobilize their opponents or lead to a Submission. [1][24] At Backlash, Orton defended the WWE Intercontinental Championship successfully against Cactus Jack (Mick Foley) in a Hardcore match. Backlash (2004 was the sixth annual Backlash Professional wrestling Pay-per-view event produced by World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE Hardcore wrestling is a form of Professional wrestling that eschews traditional concepts of match rules in favor of matches that take place in unusual environments using Later that night, Flair lost to Shelton Benjamin in a one-on-one action,[25] while Chris Benoit retained the World Heavyweight Championship in a triple threat match against Triple H and Shawn Michaels, this time forcing Michaels to submit with the Sharpshooter. Shelton Benjamin is an American professional wrestler and former amateur wrestler signed to World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE working The Sharpshooter, originally named Sasori-gatame and in English Scorpion Hold, is a professional wrestling submission hold [26]
While champion, Benoit teamed with Edge to take the World Tag Team Championship from Flair and Batista. Adam Joseph Copeland (born October 30 1973 in Orangeville Ontario, Canada better known by his Ring name Edge, is a Canadian professional wrestler [27] In summer of 2004, Eugene was made an "honorary member" of Evolution. Nicholas David Dinsmore (born December 17, 1975 in Fayette County Kentucky) is a American Professional wrestler who is best When the angle finished, it was revealed that Triple H used him. The angle concluded after Eugene accidentally caused Triple H's loss to Chris Benoit at Vengeance. Vengeance (2004 was the fourth annual Vengeance Professional wrestling Pay-per-view (PPV event produced by American promotion [28] On the same night, Edge defeated Randy Orton to end his seven-month-long Intercontinental Championship reign. [29]
Triple H received one final shot at the World Heavyweight Championship, on the July 26, 2004 edition of Raw in an Iron Man match. Events 657 - Battle of Siffin. 811 - Battle of Pliska; Byzantine Emperor Nicephorus "MMIV" redirects here For the Modest Mouse album see " Baron von Bullshit Rides Again " An Iron Man match is a Professional wrestling match type that is set to go a specific amount of time usually 30 or 60 minutes with the competitor with the most decisions Earlier that night, Randy Orton won a number-one contender battle royal for the World Heavyweight Championship and potentially a title match between Triple H and Orton could have taken place at SummerSlam, however, Eugene interfered in the Iron Man match and helped Benoit take the lead and retain the title in the final seconds, setting up a title match between Benoit and Orton at SummerSlam. SummerSlam (2004 was the seventeenth annual SummerSlam Professional wrestling Pay-per-view event produced by World Wrestling Entertainment [30] At SummerSlam, Orton pinned Benoit to become the new World Heavyweight Champion and the youngest World Champion in WWE history to date. [31][32] On the August 16, 2004 edition of Raw, Orton was kicked out of Evolution following a successful defense of the title against Chris Benoit. Events 1384 - The Hongwu Emperor of Ming China, Emperor Dong hears a case of a couple who tore paper money bills while fighting "MMIV" redirects here For the Modest Mouse album see " Baron von Bullshit Rides Again " [1][33] Batista hoisted Orton on to his shoulders in what appeared to be a celebration, but following the thumbs down from Triple H, the group proceeded to attack Orton. For the Chinese newspaper see Thumbs Up (newspaper. For the Indian Cola drink see Thums Up A thumbs up or thumbs down is [33]
At Unforgiven, Triple H beat Orton to regain the World Heavyweight Championship, with help from Flair, Batista and Jonathan Coachman. Unforgiven (2004 was a Professional wrestling Pay-per-view event produced by World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE which took place on September 12 Jonathan William Coachman After this he would have an on-screen role as the "lackey" to then General Manager of Raw Eric Bischoff. [34][35] Orton's feud with Evolution continued until Survivor Series where Triple H, Batista, Gene Snitsky and Edge were defeated by Orton, Maven, Chris Jericho and Chris Benoit in a Survivor Series match for control of RAW over the following month. Survivor Series (2004 was the eighteenth annual Survivor Series Professional wrestling Pay-per-view event produced by World Wrestling Entertainment Eugene Alan (Gene Snisky At Survivor Series 2004, Snitsky had an encounter with another psychotic individual from SmackDown!, Heidenreich Maven Klint Huffman Early life Maven was born to an African American father and a white mother Much like singles matches, Tag team Professional wrestling matches can and have taken many forms [36]
On December 6 edition of Raw, the World Heavyweight Championship was vacated when a triple threat match with Triple H, Edge and Benoit ended in a double pin (Edge tapped out to Benoit's Crippler Crossface while he had Benoit pinned to the ground),[37] and the title was to be decided in an Elimination Chamber match at New Year's Revolution in early 2005. In Professional wrestling, a Dusty Finish refers to a specific scripted ending to a match named after wrestling legend Dusty Rhodes. The Elimination Chamber is a match type in Professional wrestling (seen in World Wrestling Entertainment)
In the Elimination Chamber match at New Year's Revolution, Batista, Orton, and Triple H were the last three remaining in the match. The World Heavyweight Championship is a Professional wrestling world championship in World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE Orton eliminated Batista with an RKO and Triple H pinned Orton to win the title. [1][38][39] On the following night's Raw a number-one contender's match saw Orton pin Batista to gain a title shot at the Royal Rumble. Royal Rumble (2005 was the eighteenth annual Royal Rumble Professional wrestling Pay-per-view event produced by World Wrestling Entertainment [40] Triple H suggested that Batista not enter the Royal Rumble match, wanting the group to focus on Triple H retaining the title. Batista declined and entered the Rumble at number 28 and won. [1][41] As part of the match's storyline, Triple H was concussed and then pinned Orton to retain the title, finally ending their feud. [1][42]
Triple H tried to persuade Batista to challenge for the WWE Championship rather than his title. This article is about the championship that is currently defended on the SmackDown brand of WWE The scheme was unsuccessful and at the contract signing ceremony, Batista turned his back on Evolution and attacked Flair and Triple H, choosing to challenge for Triple H's title at WrestleMania 21, thus quitting the faction and starting a more successful singles career. WrestleMania 21 was the twenty-first annual WrestleMania Professional wrestling Pay-per-view event produced by World Wrestling Entertainment [43] Batista defeated Triple H for the World title at WrestleMania 21,[44] then defended and retained the title in rematches at Backlash,[45] and Vengeance in a Hell in a Cell match. Backlash (2005 was the seventh annual Backlash Professional wrestling Pay-per-view event produced by World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE Vengeance (2005 was a Professional wrestling Pay-per-view event produced by World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE which took place on June 26 2005 A Hell in a Cell match (sometimes referred to as Hell in the Cell) is a Professional wrestling match seen in World Wrestling Entertainment in [46]
After Vengeance, Triple H took time off, Flair turned face, and the group was dissolved. Triple H returned at the "WWE Homecoming" episode of Raw on October 3 where he was to team with Flair in a tag team match against Carlito and Chris Masters. Carlos Edwin "Carly" Colón Jr Currently he is one-half of the WWE Tag Team Champions with his brother Primo Colón on SmackDown Chris Mordetzky (born January 8 1983 showed promo style introductory videos outlining him as The Masterpiece, touting him as having a body so perfect it would appear After winning that match, Triple H betrayed Flair and turned heel, marking the end of Evolution. [2]
Orton turned heel again and challenged The Undertaker to a match to end his WrestleMania streak. Mark William Calaway (born March 24 1965 is an American professional wrestler, better known by his Ring name The Undertaker. This article is about the WrestleMania PPV series in general for the first WrestleMania itself see WrestleMania (1985. Orton, however, lost to Undertaker at WrestleMania 21, thus increasing Undertaker's streak to 13-0. [47] Orton was drafted to SmackDown! on June 16, 2005 edition of SmackDown! as the second pick of the 2005 Draft Lottery, helping JBL defeat Undertaker in a No Disqualification match. Events 1487 - Battle of Stoke Field, the last dying breath of the Wars of the Roses. Year 2005 ( MMV) was a Common year starting on Saturday (link displays full calendar of the Gregorian calendar. John Charles Layfield (born November 29 1966 known by his current Ring name John "Bradshaw" Layfield or JBL, is an American Many types of matches, sometimes called "concept" or " gimmick matches" in the jargon of the business, can be found in the form of Performing [48] Orton continued to feud with Undertaker for the remainder of the year.
Batista was drafted to SmackDown! on June 30, 2005 as the final SmackDown! pick of the 2005 Draft Lottery and brought the World Heavyweight Championship with himself to SmackDown!. Events 350 - Roman usurper Nepotianus, of the Constantinian dynasty, is defeated and killed by troops of the Usurper Year 2005 ( MMV) was a Common year starting on Saturday (link displays full calendar of the Gregorian calendar. [49] Batista went on to have two more reigns as World Heavyweight Champion,[50][51] while he also held the WWE Tag Team Championship with Rey Mysterio in late 2005. The World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE Tag Team Championship is a Professional wrestling world tag team championship in World Wrestling Entertainment Oscar Gutierrez (born December 11 1974 In WWE he was a 1 time World Heavyweight Champion, a 3 time Cruiserweight Champion When Gutierrez [52]
After Triple H turned on Ric Flair, Flair began a rivalry with Triple H. At Taboo Tuesday, Flair was scheduled to defend the WWE Intercontinental Championship against Triple H in a Steel Cage match, Submission match or a Regular match. Taboo Tuesday (2005 was the second annual Taboo Tuesday Professional wrestling Pay-per-view event produced by World Wrestling Entertainment Many types of matches, sometimes called "concept" or " gimmick matches" in the jargon of the business, can be found in the form of Performing Many types of matches, sometimes called "concept" or " gimmick matches" in the jargon of the business, can be found in the form of Performing Many types of matches, sometimes called "concept" or " gimmick matches" in the jargon of the business, can be found in the form of Performing Steel cage match won the voting, and Flair defeated Triple H to retain the title in a steel cage match. [53] At Survivor Series, however, Flair lost to Triple H in a non-title Last Man Standing match. Survivor Series (2005 was the nineteenth annual Survivor Series Professional wrestling Pay-per-view event produced by World Wrestling Entertainment Many types of matches, sometimes called "concept" or " gimmick matches" in the jargon of the business, can be found in the form of Performing [54]
On December 10, 2007, Evolution had an in-ring reunion as faces on the Raw 15th Anniversary special episode. Events 1041 - Empress Zoe of Byzantium elevates her adoptive son to the throne of the Eastern Roman Empire as Michael V Year 2007 ( MMVII) was a Common year starting on Monday of the Gregorian calendar in the 21st century. This article is about the television program You may be looking for the 1994 video game or the 2002 video game WWE Raw is This article is about the television program You may be looking for the 1994 video game or the 2002 video game WWE Raw is After Batista, Flair, and Triple H, who turned face himself in summer 2006, made their way to the ring, Orton (being the only current heel) refused to join them. He stated that if he would have to be remembered for being part of a tag-team, it would be as a member of Rated-RKO. Rated-RKO was a Professional wrestling Tag team, who wrestled for World Wrestling Entertainment on its Raw brand between October [55] Orton's remarks led to a six-man tag team match between Evolution and the team of Rated RKO and Umaga, which was won by Evolution. Edward 'Eddie' Fatu (born March 28 1973 His two older brothers Sam (better known as Tonga Kid and Tama and Solofa Jr [56]
In an interview with IGN on December 20, 2004, Triple H discussed how Evolution was conceived:
| “ | It was my initial concept and I ran it by Vince and I ran it by Flair. IGN (abbreviated and formerly known as I magine G ames N etwork is a multimedia news and reviews Website that focuses heavily on Video Events 69 - Vespasian, formerly a general under Nero, enters Rome to claim the title of Emperor. "MMIV" redirects here For the Modest Mouse album see " Baron von Bullshit Rides Again " Vincent Kennedy McMahon (born August 24 1945 popularly known by his Ring name Mr My initial concept was pretty much what we said on TV. I looked around and we had Ric Flair as a baby face just sitting there and not doing a whole lot, then you had myself, and I felt like Ric could be utilized better as a mentor to a younger guy who was up and coming. I felt like somebody could get the rub off of him, then the more I started thinking about it, I thought if we put together a group where we took a couple of guys and they could get a rub off of both Ric and I, and Ric could be accompanying them to the ring and become part-wrestler, part-mentor, part-manager, that this could really get big. So I ran it by Ric and he liked the idea. And when I was talking to Vince about it, he asked me what other wrestlers I wanted to do Evolution with, and I honestly didn't know. So Ric and I spent a lot of time just watching guys. Ric and I would actually watch every match, scouting each wrestler to see who could pull this off. To me, this was an important deal because I had to pick two guys who I thought could be big stars on their own one day, otherwise we're just wasting our time.
This isn't a knock against anybody, but there are a lot of groups, and when the group folds, the guys in that group fold because they were propped up by that group. That's not what we wanted. I wanted two guys who could be stars standing on their own, we just needed to get them to that point of standing on their own, and that's what we've done. If you look at Randy Orton, it was time for him to get kicked out of the nest and try to fly on his own, so we kicked him out and he's out there flying. He's in a place where he's either going to become a huge star or he's going to hit the ground, but we got him to that point, and he got himself to that point too. Same thing with Batista. We're going to turn Batista into a big star here, and he's working his ass off at it. And when the time is right, we'll kick him out of the nest and see how he flies. That was part of the whole thrill of doing Evolution. We took two guys who, if they would've kept doing the same things they were doing, they would've just been a couple of other guys, and it would've been hard for them to progress from that level. We literally took them out with us everywhere we went, talked business to them non-stop, and they watched matches with us, they wrestled with us, and listened to our advice. I'm not trying to take credit for where they are, they are the ones who had to put in the work, but we gave them the platform to do it from. They deserve the credit, though, because they are the ones who did it. [57] |
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